Sunday, February 20, 2011

why are conservatives aganist the government helping the food by providing free health care, food stamps etc



why are conservatives aganist the government helping the food by providing free health care, food stamps etc?
its the government's responsiblity to help those who need it the most, what kind of society do we live in that people have to suffer @ michael i disagree, a healthy population=a strong country
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"Its the government's responsibility to help those who need it most" That's your opinion, and it's one conservatives do not generally share. The Constitution declares no such responsibility.
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In theory but not in practice. They whine and cry about those things but they use them just like everybody else.
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The government provides NOTHING the taxpayer does.
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Because then they could not give as much welfare to corporations. Sad, but the sick and starving must realize their role is to go without meeting adeqate needs and this will be a means of demonstrsting some patriotism.
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People wouldn't have to suffer if they'd get up off their lazy butts and contribute. Deadbeats are a drain on the system and causing America to suffer.
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Yeah, let's help the food, by all means. Good idea. Very smart.
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Govt. help is a good thing when people can not truly fend for themselves. The problem is that welfare is used by the democrats to enslave people to a meager existence in exchange for votes. I will take the party of the paycheck over the party of the food stamp any day.
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What is it with you and asking such ignorant questions? And hows Mexico or have you moved in the last 24 hrs? Hard to tell since your in 2 or 3 different countries a day.
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its the government's responsibility to help those who need it the most? Are you sure you are reading the right Constitution? I do not support socialized medicine because it provides a very expensive product that is inferior to the cheaper one I already receive. Universal health care has been an expensive disaster in every country it has been implemented. I do not wish to board an aircraft each time I need medical help. Food stamps can be a good program but it has been expanded into a bloated boondoggle. Yes I am opposed to spending too much money. I do not feel guilty about it. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money. These programs that you think aid the poor do just the opposite. They drag down the economy and when the economy suffers it is always those at the bottom that pay the price.
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I think the food is beyond help. Helping the poor, well it may be. In another time, there may have been jobs for everyone. No longer is that true. We DO have to learn a new way of living. Most likely this will filter out as a group of marginalized people who stay at home, watch TV propaganda, rail at injustices, and are disenfranchised. I see us going eventually to a system where it is one vote per earned dollar, so the many of the rich and the all of the jobless are disenfranchised and only the workers who actually run the production of the society get to vote. Also, the jobless will be prevented from use of resources over a certain level but will otherwise be cared for by the rest of us, whether it is as a government program or private charities or even public charities. Our technology has gone beyond the point of jobs for everyone, even if the chiseling multinational corporations were not exporting American jobs. (BTW, that was planned for many years and is almost irreversible since the industrial plants left idle here are rusting hulks that were not maintained for years and years). Yeah, if we insist pregnancies be carried to term, we will have more and more jobless to support. Perhaps a return to indentured servitude is appropriate to give the growing numbers of jobless a sense of self-worth.
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There is no govt. subsidy, entitlement program or general boondoggle that is "free." This is the number one misconception I see in you question and your challenge is easily answered. To say the govt. is providing "free" health care or "free" food stamps shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how any govt. program is managed and how funds are meted out. The cost of SNAP benefits (the new acronym for food stamps) is approaching the $75 billion mark with no end in sight. That is certainly not free. As for the health care issue, there are plenty of stories out on how the govt. sold the legislation as a way to reduce the budget deficit, but now the talking heads are going, "Oops! This looks like it's gonna cost Americans about a $2 trillion. Our bad, but you're stuck with it now." My challenge to you is: What kind of society expects govt. and not its own members to meet the challenges of social ills? You will either be the change you want to see, or expect to also be on the dole at your convenience and at the expense of others. There is no "govt. money" (I never get tired of hearing that from the downtrodden... it always brings a chuckle); there is only what govt. took from the constituency to use as it sees fit (apparently regardless of how those giving the money say it should be spent.... TARP, stimulus, health care). Govt. is not now, never has been and never will be your 'friend.' It is an entity that, left to its own devices, protects its own power and existence by limiting rights and controlling wealth. Having worked closely with DHHR for 14+ years, I can assure you govt. is not a model of efficiency or humanitarianism. DHHR (like most govt. concerns) is top heavy with administration and bureaucratic costs and it's an all or nothing affair: You must either be completely dependent, or govt. says, "Sorry. You're on your own." Govt. is generally not competent enough to help people in a gradient manner. Not exactly awe inspiring and faith inducing. I agree that any healthy, sane population will strive to take care of its members, who thru no fault of their own, can't take care of themselves (children, the disabled, the elderly). I also know that when people can vote themselves money (or acquire money and services with little to no effort) govt. makes you its slave. This is not healthy and it is not admirable. Taking care of people who, thru their own choices and the enabling of govt., decide to sit it out at the expense of others should be challenged and stepped on by any sane populace. Hunger is a powerful motivator, but that may be too hard a reality for many to accept. I will step over the bum in the street who chooses drugs and sloth over industry and accountability. And at some point, the entire working populace will have to do this because eventually the greed and ineptitude displayed by a govt. that encourages mediocrity and a society that apologizes for it will break. You eventually run out of other peoples' money and have to sacrifice something. Any working person on a budget knows as much when living paycheck to paycheck. Final thought: Think as you will. I believe we, as a people, can do better, but saying conservatives are against govt. 'helping' isn't really a slight to me. You have to take the time to understand that govt. owns a lot of the blame for allowing poverty and health care costs to snowball. I believe govt. can be used as a tool by responsible people to meet these challenge, but not the govt. (or, more correctly, the agents) currently in power. And maybe this says a lot about the society being governed that embraces a parasitic mentality that excuses greed and stupidity as long as "I'm gettin' mine." I thought is was govt.'s role to govern the land in general, not act as the local food bank and health clinic. What are your thoughts on govt. controlling food choices and information? Are we now (as many agents of the govt. assert) too stupid and lazy to be trusted? I shudder to think anyone is comfortable with this.
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When I went to work for the State of ******* in 1979, I was considered to be very 'liberal'. I worked there about 3 years and found myself becoming very conservative. The 1st day on the job, since I had no training what-so-ever as a social worker, I was assigned to work with people coming in asking for food. At that time a person could smoke in the office (workers & clients). So. . . late that day this woman comes in and states that "me and my kids are starving, and have nothing to eat this weekend". As she was saying this, she was knocking off the ashes of her cigarette on my floor. I went to our 'food closet', and got her a BIG box of canned food (corn, beans, potatoes, rice, soup, etc); this also included meat. When I brought it back to her and placed the box on my desk, she started taking each can out of the box, looking at each one. Finally, she stood up (without replacing ANY of the cans in the box), looked at me and said (before she walked out) " I ain't eating this sh**). Now that was just one person, but basically I had that happen to me many times over my 30 year career. To help decent families who are truly in need, there are going to be the jerks who give the entire entitlement programs a bad name. Please remember that for EVERY dollar that goes to entitlement programs that the 'government' funds, that dollar HAD to be taken out of the paycheck of someone who is working. There is absolutely NOTHING free; SOMEONE has to pay for it! When you work in a small county office, you get to know the people in your community. You can see people who have never made more than $ 1,000 in a single year get benefits through entitlements that they would be fools to give up by going to work. As a matter of fact, in our Food Stamp manual, we had 9 (that right, NINE) pages of exemptions from registering for work, and only 3 (THREE!) paragraphs of getting people to register. What made me sick to my stomach is the fact that being a convicted child molester does not disqualify a person from receiving food stamps. I don't know how many scumbag/lowlife/worthless molesters that I put on Food Stamps and Medicaid over my career. Being a convicted felon for using/dealing drugs will not disqualify a person from receiving Medicaid, either. I've but hundreds of meth heads on Medicaid, and denied people who had worked hard all their life. The denial was usually because they had saved money for their retirement, as opposed to the drug heads who never saved or worked. I think that this is one reason why so many people are fed up with entitlement programs. HOWEVER: having said all the above: In my opinion (and I am a VERY CONSERVATIVE former Food Stamp caseworker . . . .30 years on the job) there comes a time in EVERYONE'S life that you have to turn to someone for help. It does NOT matter what kind of social class a person is in. . .be it rich or poor, famous or not, etc.; everyone at one time or another HAS to ask for help from someone. That request for help could be from your family, church, friends, relatives, OR a government agency. As I stated above, I am very conservative; wait, let me change that to EXTREMELY conservative. I believe that if a person is ABLE to work, and work is available, then that person SHOULD work. As a nation, what should we do for a family, if for example, a male (notice I did not use the word "Man", as I believe that any fool can father a child, but it takes a MAN to be a husband and a daddy) runs off and leaves his child/children without any way of putting food on the table for them, clothes on their back, a roof over their head, and a bed to sleep in? I do NOT care if the taxes I pay go to help put food on the table for children and/or the elderly, or to help them with medical care. As a Food Stamp/Medicaid Intake worker, I could not stand to see a sick or hungry child come in to my office without being able to help them. That does not mean that people should make depending up the tax payers to support them as a way of life. There are people who of course do this, and to a large degree, government regulations have made people so dependent that work is not encouraged



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